I am completely sober but the Idea I got is more insane than yours.

The trust thing basically cannot work for me. It’s not only expensive, but I don’t think it’s a good idea to operate a social media trust from my jurisdiction( India ). So if anyone wants to go forward with trusts, it must be someone from Europe not me.

The idea I have, which honestly sounds crazy, but may be the only way individual owners can run these instances, is the idea of mutually assured destruction. Basically, why, despite having nukes, have we not used them yet? Because nuclear attack means both the partners will mutually assured destruction.

Similarly, if I give admins and server owner both the power to delete the server, with admins having to vote a simple majority in order to do so, it basically creates a mutually assured destruction scenario, where both have to co-operate.

Pick any of the Asimov’s books if you’re into science fiction.

Definitely not unhinged. Different people have wildly different interpretations of unhingedness.

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That’s gonna be everyone’s answer, hence I asked for anything else

Csam is gonna be the ultimate hurdle I am gonna have to cross. Lot of traditional csam protections involve protection against already existing images on the internet, and even those software are becoming sparser these days.

Yup! Exactly the argument I have heard from people who back the system.

Athen democracy did have a system where you had to consent to standing in the process. I mean isn’t that necessary? You only stand if you want to stand.

Also it’s not being a leech, one of the biggest success of their democracy was to ensure people working for government get a salary. Without a paid incentive I think plenty of people would just not participate in it at all.

My upper estimate is half of the dau might want to participate, realistically, I think number could be as low as 30 or 20%

The slave owners were against Athens democracy lol.

Hinges on the fact that server is run on donations, so admin has an incentive to not run the server against the idea.

I know, the hosters sanity and goodwill is still doing a lot of heavy lifting. I must think through this better.

Well, bringing down the level of commitment required for being an admin or mod may increase the number of applicants, though if it’s enough to sustain the idea is something I don’t think I have an answer for.

Application is important because applying means you’re motivated enough to take the role. Also limiting to people who have an account in the instance.

And yes, you bring a good point, random people can and should participate in it.

Csam was the true bane, and while cloudflare does have some protection, I am actively looking for better ways, even thinking of using qwen or deepseek v4 for specifically that. Except with open weight models it’s not just the model but who’s hosting it that’s also something one must take into consideration.

I believe admins would be good enough for spam, csam and scam stuff, let’s see though how it works out first

I’ll like to see how it goes. Sortition because they believed elections meant rich can back their favorable candidates and win. With sortition, since there’s no election most people who are contesting get more or less an equal footing. I am curious how did they manage to get an entire council with high participation

Thanks. I’ll think over everything you said. It does look like my instance could be eligible as a companion instance if executed well enough. Regarding alt accounts, I feel one must at least contribute somewhere on the instance to participate… Yeah it’s gonna be a tough problem to crack, and also the one other user pointed out, about funding. For an initial period I may run the pilot project, but when admins themselves aren’t stable, it’s going to create some problems.

Thanks for your feedback. I’ll think over it

Gives me confidence!

So, someone pointed out, there’s always someone who’s paying for the server costs and they might not like paying for instance someone else is running, what would be your take on that? Is there a way to tackle that issue?

Fair point.

Thanks! You’re an instance admin too I believe. Yes the idea is very close to anarchism, but Athens used sortition on top of it for day to day work.

Do you think the admin recalls and governance threads are working well, and haven’t been abused? Also I don’t find the fediverse instance you said, is it the same as dbzer0?

Aren’t most instances on lemmy running on donations? While I absolutely understand your point, because of this I don’t think the hoster will have a veto unless they are the one funding it from their pockets

Yeah idea may sound stupid to some, but is it a question not worth pondering over?