retired engineer, former sailor, off grid, gamer, in Puerto Rico. Moderating a little bit.

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  • This is an interesting issue - I worked as a high school teacher for a while and all the “real” teachers were always discussing the idea of critical thinking and how to teach it. It seemed to me the critical thinking lessons were simply the assignments to do something the students did not know HOW to do. The admonition “Well? Figure it OUT!” was the driving command. So in a way, life’s challenges are everyone’s lessons in critical thinking whether they realize or not. To be sure, we can prepare children better or worse for those challenges - in some degree by whether they learn rote facts in school, or spend more time in actual problem-solving and learning to do collaborative activities.



  • This is what I find so interesting about the topic! Hard determinism is constrained by causality. Although the future is fixed, the events that transpire are causally linked to the past, and we seem like active agents of decisions. So since I am not a gambler, I never participate in wagers even though the outcomes are predetermined (or in my case the lack of wagers is predetermined). We are having this discussion in the context of the atheism community, so I think it is worth mentioning that there seems to not be much space in either hard determinism or a multiverse for the sort of spiritual-guidance and enforcement mechanisms proposed by religions. And yet, there may be a kind of mysticism to ponder whether we consider ourselves a more or less thick outcome slice, or whether we are agents of cause in a predetermined block time.

    Did I bring up quantum? Well, if I did it was in the context of explaining Bell’s “solutions” to the EPR paradox. He thought there were three, as I recall, and he ruled one of those out. He ruled out hidden variable. So multiverse or hard determinism were all he had left. He did not care for hard determinism but he did not say why, as far as I know.


  • in your quantum multiverse, there is an important distinction to be made between mechanically-random and quantum-random; but in my hard-deterministic universe, the distinction, while maybe of some metaphysical interest - is immaterial, since both mechanisms are striving to predict an inescapable outcome. ;)