There’s the compounding issue that something that seems simple on the surface, say, pairing a pair of bluetooth headphones, is a convoluted mess of super-complicated shit on a technical level.

And to even handle that, the engineer making the app that handles these does not know about how to sync an L and an R headpiece. And the person who knows about that does not know how to establish contact via bluetooth. Etc. It’s layers upon layers upon layers of tricky technical stuff. Each of which has the ability to propagate buggy behavior both up and down the layers. And each engineer probably cannot easily fix the other layers (they’re not theirs), so they work around the bugs. Over time this adds an insane amount of complexity to the code as hundreds of these tiny adjustments are spread everywhere.

Now what happens if someone takes all the parts you replaced, and uses them to construct a 3D printer?

Do they own the A8? Or do you?

Ah, sorry if that wasn’t clear, the entire second half was theoretical about a better way of doing this.

A type of federation where there is no “home” for a community any more. It exists equally on all servers, so any being removed would have ~0 effect.

I mentioned that basically because I feel that’s a much better solution to the problem than shared ownership + locked registrations. Sorry if that wasn’t clear, not my primary language.

Oooh, I did not know that. TYVM!

So long as it’s possible to ban the bot so I don’t see the spam, sure.

Now it makes even less sense.

So instead of one admin being able to take it all down we have multiple, and we also don’t allow local users. But we have multiple admins, so these instances would be uniquely able to process very large numbers of users on account of having more than one admin? There’s still the problem of course of how to handle someone being an admin on a technical level, and I don’t see a solution to that. Could go and notarize shared ownership of a bare metal server I suppose?

But still, what’s the point? It doesn’t improve anything, in fact it actively makes it worse. If you want communities to be resistant to server removal, you’d need a way to… federate the community. So that even if the original instance is gone, everyone keeps interacting with their local federated community-copy and these keep federating to each other (copy). As in, there’s no original any more, but good luck keeping all of that consistent. 😅 In particular because that still doesn’t solve the problem because now you got people able to either moderate each others copy (good luck with that power trip bonanza) and no central admin to remove the mods, or they cannot moderate each other, in which case good luck figured out how to block on a per-post basis depending on laws in your particular country getting the content federated over.

From the “privacy nightmare” “article”:

If you have any objection at all to your posts and profile information being potentially sucked up by Meta, Google, or literally any other bad actor you can think of, do not use the fediverse. Period.

It’s on the internet. Public. Got it. It’s almost as if, and hold on to your hats here, the whole point of posting on something like Mastodon or Lemmy or so is to have a public discourse, as you cannot know who will be replying anyways. It’s almost as if, and this is getting wild, I know, read-access being public is intentional and explicitly part of the design.

Sorry, but this always make me rage. It’s like these people are discovering in 2024 that public access means anyone can read it, not just 2000 individual tech bloggers. It’s like in 2024 they’re discovering that, but aren’t technicallly skilled enough to open a forum to have their closed-of discussions in.

Sigh.

No wonder the tech sphere is going to shits if this is the modern discourse around it. :(

Sorry, rant over.

Just checked, they call it football. Like everyone with half a braincell.

Also, if we assume that the entire idea is to have more than one admin, then what change does that actually include?

You now have 3-4 people that can go and randomly delete the whole server instead of 1? Do you know that right now, only 1 person has the credentials to the admin account of whatever server you’re talking about?

The whole point of federation is to let people join communities even when they don’t have an account in the same server.

[citation needed], because it disagrees with the “whole point” I can find

Why?

That just locks communities off. Wh ich you could readily do before Lemmy, just host a forum. Discourse is a pretty damn cool software for it. Close registrations, close visibility, and allow users in on a per-user basis. That’s also a lot how Tildes works, and I remember people here don’t like that very much.

Yeah, not unlikely. Can’t truly know ahead of time of course, but it feels like that would eventually happen. I wish governments in particular had jumped harder onto Mastodon, slowly moving attention there.

But it’s probably also difficult to justify, because from their perspective it’s just one “someone else’s solution” vs another. They’d have to first make their own twitter like fediverse software I bet.

No I mean it seems to work better as an alternative. Quite a few smaller companies, content creators and so on I want to see enws from are on there, so it somehow seems to work better for them. 🤷‍♀️

How do you mean? It’s majorly US centric, and that was part of why Mastodon worked better as a Twitter-replacement here in the EU at first.

But as always, something like Reddit or Twitter benefits from centralization, as far as user interactions go. So slowly, people drift to whatever the single largest alternative is when they leave the current status quo, and in alternative-Twitter-land, this seems to be either Threads or Bluesky, and their cases are fairly incomparable.

Doesn’t make it the perfect solution, but like always in Engineering, the perfect solution is rarely the best one.

Yeah it’s no wonder as Bluesky seems to work better as an alternative.

Nice try, FBI!

It’s… okay?

In fact no, it’s by-far the best Google Maps alternative I’ve used so far, this clears OsmAnd+ easily. However, it still has quite a way to go. I can see why it’s awesome for hiking, but this has some interesting side effects.

For example, I noticed right away that it cannot search for specific places in non-downloaded maps. This might seem like a “duh”, but the maps around here seem extremely fine-grained, so I need to first search for the town, then download the map, then search for the street and address, then I can navigate. Oh no wait I cannot, I need to also download maps for all places in-between.

This makes complete sense for hiking, where I’m confined to a - comparatively - small area and want to pre-download this, at all times, always. And also don’t really “search” for a specific address to route to beforehand, rather for a general area and then just get the map.

And of course, the quality of navigation is… adventurous. But I expected that, that’s just something GMaps has a huge starting advantage at, and this clears what OsmAnd+ does and honestly feels better than Apple Maps, too. Though that’s maybe not high praise, as in this area of the world Apple Maps is like getting lost only you use a smartphoen to do it.
Still, it’s the second best I’ve seen. And for an open source app, that’s an insane feat.

Hugely impressed, TY OP. Never heard of this before.

And then in the web app, you need to do this complicated hold-LMB-then-select-from-list to select something, making just browsing really difficult.

Or is there a better way of doing that? I lack a good way to just browse Openstreetmap.

That’s a good point actually, if it’s not paid-for, then assuming it’s accurate it’s actually a better way of describing to a driver what to do.

I remember a fair few years ago, when Google Maps was already a thing but smart phones were not, we were bewildered at how helpful this thing for printed Google Maps instructions was where it prints a little photograph of each turn you need to do, how it will look to you when you get there. This was the best feature ever, as it made it so easy for your second person checking the route to know when to actually take a turn or not.

They already have. Have you noticed the number of ads shown on google maps?

No? I’ve never seen any ads on Google Maps, though this might be a local thing. I suspect this is different in the US where “consumer rights” gets you a fine for speaking such communist propaganda?