I’ve been told that Artemis Fowl in the books is actually a nice and smart person. In the movie he comes across as an arrogant dick for a larger part.

It feels like you are making a computer program out to be more than it actually is right now. At the same time this all isn’t about what that program is doing. It’s about how it was built.

Well. When I copy and paste source code into my program and compile it it also doesn’t retain the actual code. It’s still not allowed.

If I on the other hand read source code, remember and reapply it in a sort of similar way later on then that’s totally fine. But that’s not what OpenAI did there. There wasn’t a human involved that read the articles and then used that knowledge to adjust the LLM.

There question i would have is where is the line there? Does that mean that as soon as there is some automated process that uses the data it’s fine?

E.g. could I have a script that reads all NYT articles, extracts interesting information and provides them in a different format to users?

But they aren’t forming take aways from it. They literally used that material to build this system. I also cannot just go around and take arbitrary data from anywhere and use it to build my own program. There are licenses attached to it and I have to be mindful of who’s work I can use to build my system and who’s I can’t use without explicit permission.

Building this system isn’t looking at other folks material and forming take aways from it. It’s literally using that material as input for building the system.

Might be a fundamental difference in opinion. I don’t see us anywhere near anything related to artificial life.

What they’ve built there is a product, a computer program and they used other folks data to build it without getting their permission. I also cannot go and just copy and paste source code from all over the internet to build my program. There are licenses attached to it that determine what you can or can’t do with it.

I feel like just because the term “learning” is involved people no longer view it as simply building or programming a system. Which it is.

But there is no one learning from it. It serves as a building block / source material to build these LLMs. I feel like the fact that it’s called learning gives folks the impression that it’s similar to what a human would do.

This comparison doesn’t make sense to me. If the person then makes money off it: yes.

Otherwise the question would be if copyright law should be abolished entirely. E.g. if I create a new news portal with content copied form other source, would that be okay then?

You are comparing a computer program to a human. Which… is weird.

Oh I still remember the outrage when Android added support for allowing Carries to block this a few years ago. But the Google folks just said „works as intended“ and proceeded.

Ah it will be at done point

And still it’s basically all Google.

Super easy. Especially since this is all under their control. So they could simply write those messages elsewhere if they wanted to. I’m not saying they do, but it’s technically possible and a walk in the park.

I would generally trust such a company to do it right. But that doesn’t save you when law enforcement and such get involved.

Yes you should. Because it’s not e2e encrypted then.

It’s also about the people though. Been living in the south for some time. Hard to talk to people, even harder to make friends, very rural for the most part. I even would describe a city like Stuttgart as rural. At work people approached me and said „hey you also aren’t from the south right? I noticed“ and were happy to have someone to chitchat with.

Just my own experience… I’m very happy to have made the decision to move away again.

Maybe it’s easy if one isn’t a German since there are kind of expat communities? I don’t know.

I wasn’t talking about that and I’m unsure why you are making this about privacy. The topic was about market share and seizing control of certain markets. Microsoft is a really big player in that game and Google ist irrelevant in comparison.

This isn’t about just web browsers. Yes. Google is a step ahead in that field. And ten steps behind in most others.

What I was trying to convey to you is: Don’t downplay Microsoft just because Google is currently a relevant topic in one corner of it.

Yes. That’s important to. No that doesn’t mean they are playing in the same league.

No they didn’t? My company just recently introduced it.

2.2 billion euros in a decade. Doesn’t feel like too much.

How is Google more dangerous. I think you might have a wrong impression based on the current flood of news articles, because the web drm thingy is the current hot topic. Don’t get me wrong. There should be a spot light on it. But Microsoft is still playing a whole different ball game overall.

I just read about it in the news since I no longer use Teams. But having used it in the past and then have switched to a Slack+Zoom combination. My god. It’s just on another level. Having two products that each focus on one thing and try to make it great kinda works.

Anecdotally Slack has it’s fair share of issues once in a while. Zoom barely ever.

I’m unsure of many people know that StackOverflow also had enterprise offerings. Our company has their own StackOverflow instance with very specific content to our tech stacks.

I don’t care about stuff working OOTB - half the fun is messing around with things IMO.

I generally agree. Backups for me are just something I don’t want to tinker with. It’s important to me that they work OOTB, are easy to grasp and I have a good overview.

The web interface is important to me because it gives me that overview from any device I’m currently using without needing to type anything into a terminal. The OOTB is important to me since I want to be able to easily set this all up again even without access to my Ansible setup or previous configuration.

To each their own. I’m not saying your way of doing this is wrong. It’s just not for me. This is just my reasoning / preferences. It’s also the reason something like borg wasn’t my chosen solution, even though it’s generally considered great.