@fediverse
Probably not original at all. But I suspect there’s something to framing it around “improving the quality of internet discourse” through the emergent dynamics of a federation … especially in comparison to monolithic big-social.

It also repositions the internet as a broader resource to be used effectively.

And instills independent and contentiously incompatible instances along with widely connected federation as desirable positives for social media and the internet in general.
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@fediverse

A tricky part here is that the community still needs to be followed at least once on your instance for the content to come through. *I think*

So if a community isn’t coming through, I’d recommend these steps:

* Search for the community and follow it like any other user.
* Add it to a specific/bespoke list, then remove that list from home (a setting available on each list). This removes “the firehose” from your home feed.
* Follow the corresponding tag as you would any other

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@mick_collins @Subversivo @fediverse @fediversenews

I’m not familiar enough (or at all) with C#, but AFAICT, it could make an instance more stable, as firefish and misskey have struggled with handling a decent amount of users and C# could be a faster system for the server.

Also, a re-write sometimes is a good thing. And, developers have different preferences for languages, so having a C# project around enables C# devs to more easily contribute to the fedi.

@Zagorath @Teppichbrand

And to really get it you have to have been a vulnerable commuter (cyclist etc) in an encounter with a car where they’ve clearly just not seen you and will kill you if you’re not constantly on the look out for such things.

Despite being well informed about such things I was still shocked my “first time” as I watched a car just turn into me like I wasn’t there while the driver was looking elsewhere.

cars were already a problem. Weaponising them with tech hype is toxic.

@can

Lemmy federates pretty well with mastodon. From mastodon you can follow a community as you would any person/user.

There are two major problems though.

1. everything in that community comes through as a flat firehose, including comments. There’s structuring into posts with comments inside.
2. Mastodon doesn’t understand the type of object lemmy sends over ActivityPub, and so simply provides a title and a link to the original post.

Also, you can just follow lemmy users on mastodon.

@admin

Some, maybe many, hope for the decentralised model of the fediverse to “take back the internet”. Each time a commercial platform “enshitifies“, there are then calls for the fediverse to replace it with a federated alternative, in part to take advantage of the moment of user agitation.

But, IMO, resources and financial support are a touchy topic in the fediverse. If such has lead to a mismatch between ambition and opportunity, and, capability, that may be worth addressing.

@weirdwriter @ajsadauskas @lemmyreader

Yes, forum platforms too (incl #nodebb of course).

I do get the (very vague) impression discourse is focusing on integrating well with masto to a good extent and so might not integrate too well with the other Reddit/forum platforms. If true, that might be a good enough reason to start with another base. OTOH, it’s a familiar platform to many devs so adapting it for stackoverflow like use could go well right?

@ajsadauskas @lemmyreader

Yep! It seems a good Threadiverse ecosystem could be on its way with lemmy etc, nodebb and discourse. Hooking a stack overflow alternative into that could make a lot of sense of kick starting it.

Though at some point UI differences could prove problematic(?)

@p03locke

Yep, yep and … yep!

@Trainguyrom

Ha
AFAIU, two platforms other than mastodon (lemmy and discourse) have issues federating because at least one of them is trying federate well with mastodon (for obvious reasons). The mastodon quirk causing issues is, AFAIU, the way it kinda mangles articles and pages (long form formats in ActivityPub), which are appropriate for forums and link-aggregators like lemmy and discourse. So someone hints been done to work well with mastodon’s mangling, which hurts lemmy-discourse interop

@Loukas @fediverse

Agreed (and said the same myself)!

As I’ve said it … alternative social has run its course in this post-musk-twitter moment. Everyone’s settled down where they ended up.

And yea, either more major disruption or some new killer features (rather than clones of big social) will be needed to shake things up. Neither seem particularly likely in the short term … your EU-meta smackdown is probably the best bet??

@Loukas @fediverse

Comparatively, it’s definitely a lot more into shitposting vibes, for sure.

I think their biggest problem right now is they don’t have good community self-organising features (nor masto, but the boost culture corrects for that IMO), so those who want more serious sub-cultures aren’t getting much footing (and may never).

Feeds are interesting but not very fruitful IMO and hashtags are new, so it’s a bit flat community-wise there, and many users are “wait & see” I suspect.

@anderseknert @fediverse

Fair (kinda the simple explanation why I’m anti-threads-federation).

While I’m no BlueSky-stan, the idea/promise of the system is a hybrid, which I think is generally worthwhile (especially while things like twitter and threads *dominate*) but also interesting.

How hybridised it becomes (and can become) is the question though with *big* outstanding questions.

@anderseknert @fediverse

LOL … yea plenty right.

@box464 @db0 @fediverse

I’d forgotten about them (firefish/Misskey plugins) actually (we probably saw each other over on firefish “back in the day”).

@jonnix @politics

Interesting. How could congress ever enforce this under 14A,s5?

@barney @politics

Yep that so makes sense to me now. Thanks! Seems like a petty bad decision then.

@barney @politics

Sorry, just read 14A, sec 5:

> The Congress shall have power to enforce, by appropriate legislation, the provisions of this article.

The decision seems pretty predictable to me then.

In fact it seems that this was never going anywhere and that the provisions are actually pretty weak. If an insurrectionist is popular enough to be a plausible presidential candidate, then they’re not unlikely to have significant support in congress.

@barney @politics

Were there not conversations at the time about how 14A would have been enforced? None of the issues around that are new and would have been obvious at the time.

@barney @politics

Who should enforce it then? Seems like exactly the sort of thing a court wouldn’t want to touch so as not to look too political, no?

Unless there’s no way around the fact that the 14th effectively creates a “constitutional crime” within federal courts’ jurisdiction that can be pardoned by a congress super majority, which would have been my intuitive reading.