Yet here we are, and evil we are. Case closed

You can go ahead and waste time beleaguering the point if you want. It’s not gonna change the fact that humanity is inherently evil whether you like it or not.

If it makes you feel better, it means I am evil too. Then again, so are you. We all are. It’s just the natural state of being human.

If there’s anything one should notice in life, it’s that yes, that is how grown adult humans act.

They’re all just entitled spoiled brats. Their kids are unironically more mature than they are.

It’s still wrong as it would still be the DM’s fault for manipulating someone else to harm other people.

Or did going full Joker become moral while I was away?

No, you’re not understanding my point. I’m analyzing what’s happening and rightfully blaming the DM for those deaths because they’re his fault.

Would you blame someone if they gave an AR-15 to someone they knew was gonna commit a mass shooting?

I put an ethical dilemma in front of a Paladin. I do not consider this evil.

No, you knowingly put innocent people in harm’s way because you wanted to get one over on someone. That, by anyone’s standard except yours, is evil. That ain’t gonna change.

Having used to be that bum, yes, I can say emphatically what they’re doing is evil by conventional standards. I agree wholeheartedly with what they do, but that doesn’t change the fact that it’s evil and by that game’s standards they should die.

Items like that go by the standards established in the game and that means that homeless dude is gonna die. Conventional western morals dictate he be jailed, at least, and most Americans do want people like that exterminated because they dehumanize the homeless. Even restorative justice types don’t actually view or treat homeless people like humans let alone peers. Homeless populations are pretty universally reviled, and as good and evil always boil down to our feelings and popularity contests, that’s what makes them evil in the eyes of others.

I am not agreeing with the notion, just saying what it is. Personally I think humanity is inherently evil so all humans should die from such an item or a spell. But no one would take my opinion into account so this morality-is-relative crap people are pulling to dispute the veracity of the sword doesn’t hold water either.

Debatable. I don’t really think the thing is about what people deserve. A sword like that could be used for all kinds of different things, not just some moral crusade.

Hell, I’d use it to detect so-called good people without the stabbing and avoid them. The worst kind of people are good ones. Goodness itself is a kind of evil.

People are quibbling over what is good and evil but no one considers how useful a sword like that would be. D&D already has a hard-coded alignment system with predictable behaviors associated with each alignment so implying good and evil are subjective is meaningless.

Then again, morality itself is pretty meaningless so 🤷

See, here’s my problem with that: humanity is inherently evil so everyone would be killed by such a thing.

I don’t think a cow can be good or evil.

a hateful bitter man who antagonizes everyone but obeys the law

As one of those hateful bitter people in the eyes of others who still is lawful, I emphatically tell you that we are evil and absolutely would and should be killed by Holy Word and other such spells.

a teenager

Wait, what?

Actually everyone on your list should be killed by that spell, even the teenager though I vehemently disagree with that.

Like you can sit there and quibble about what is actually evil or not but this is magic, and what matters is what the majority of people consider evil, and they all hit the mark. Most adults are ageist bigots who’d wipe out all teenagers on a dime if they could, for example, even though that’s pretty evil.

Good and evil are honestly pretty meaningless.

It also defeats the point of the exercise. The paladin is nolonger responsible for the murder of those innocents because he was lied to about the true nature of the sword and would have no way to find out the truth without killing an innocent person.

So it’s not the paladin doing the killings, it’s the DM.

As if you aren’t evil by lying to the player.

And as if they won’t successfully dispute it.

Let’s see here, 4 month old account, zero posts, only 3 comments and all of them are direct attacks on me in this thread?

Sound the alarms fam, we’ve got ourselves an alt account here.

You’re adorable when you make it obvious to everyone who can click and read post histories what you’re actually doing.

This is WHY I tell you to grow up.

Now grow up, child.

Holy fucking shit, you actually are people who are so immature and vengeful over arguments on the internet that you chose to derail a NaNoWriMo thread because you have beef with me personally.

Because you actually and unironically are grown-ass adults who want to gang up on someone to get revenge over the internet. Over internet arguments

Because that is the grown-up response, am I right? 😆

Don’t actually stop. This is fucking hilarious.

I tell people like you to grow up for a reason, and this is precisely that reason. Touch. Grass.

Oh how adorable, you followed me all the way here from a whole separate post just to cause trouble. And you even came up with an excuse to give you plausible deniability a whole half-hour after you first chimed in when you found other people who are purposefully derailing the thread because they have an axe to grind, and joined in.

I’m… actually quite touched. I didn’t know I had fans.

No, no, being told to get out of one’s bubble is a commonly-used derisive insult.

Oh, you’re the troll. Well, I’m sorry your own misery, toxicity and lack of enjoyment in life is so painful to you that you felt the need to lash out and derail a thread about something completely innocuous, but that’s entirely a you problem. Now go touch grass.

Well, that troll sure got what he wanted, didn’t he? You’re so hopped up on your anger and the smell of your own shit that you can’t even see that the guy you’re defending clearly already knew what NaNoWriMo was. You just created an image in your mind of a raging lolcow who can’t take criticism and can’t see that you’re actually looking in the mirror.

But hey, you can have fun being an arrogant, ignorant blowhard who is too angry to listen to reason, or you can calm down for five seconds and actually listen to what you’re told. Your choice. 🤷

EDIT: Oh lol, the troll even went and admitted it:

Well, you still gonna sit there smelling your own farts, or are you actually going to stop and think about what’s actually happening in the thread?

And you can be an oversensitive, overbearing, overly offended concern troll with nothing better to do with your life than get mad at someone because you misinterpreted a situation and are too arrogant to admit you were wrong, but it won’t make you sound any less dumb.

That’ll sure show me not to assert myself when someone is being toxic in my own thread for no reason. 🙄

Okay, let me spell this out to you like you are a 4-year-old:

1. I made a Lemmy post asking what people are going to do for NaNoWriMo.

2. The post was treated derisively as most people already know what it is and don’t like it, and the rest genuinely didn’t know what it is.

3. Other people in the thread corrected them.

4. One person decided to catch attitude with me about it and I promptly told them where to stuff it.

5. You didn’t like that and started arguing with me.

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And you’re doing this because you think I’m upset other people don’t like NaNoWriMo or me, and you don’t understand I don’t care if they do or not.

They have the right to like or hate whatever the fuck they want. I can’t make people like NaNoWriMo and I don’t want to make people like something I like. That’s their prerogative. As a fellow human being who shares this Earth with 8 billion other motherfuckers, I’m fine with that.

What I’m not fine with is the notion that I have to be a doormat and let people walk all over me to appease your sensibilities, because you misunderstand the point of the thread.

This thread is not for converting people to the ways of NaNoWriMo. I specifically was looking for other people who already know about it and were going to participate.

I really, really don’t know how to make this clearer to you than it already is. It’s on you if you refuse to listen and it’s pretty apparent that refusing to listen is something that you’re good at.

You’re literally defending anti-intellectualist dumbshits throughout the thread. Most of your posts are vitriolic. You came in here with an attitude, and when others called you out on it, you assaulted them with the same tired old thought-terminating cliches and personal attacks every anti-intellectualist abuses others with. It’s old, it’s tiresome, it’s destructive, and you really really need to go do something better with your time on this earth than enabling people to be stupid with no social consequences.

The mark of an intellectual! Making bold statements without evidence then suppressing any discussion of that lack of evidence.

Maybe instead of bemoaning how little effort others are putting into understanding things, you should forge ahead with your own work.

It just means you’re tossing your hands up at the complexity of understanding something. Not a very disciplined approach to understanding for the 1% Intellectual in the room.

You’re doing it everywhere. And you don’t realize what you’re doing because you don’t think about what you’re saying, and you don’t think about what you’re saying because you don’t care about the truth. Like all anti-intellectuals.

Well, the rest of us do, and we have a country to run and lives to live. You need to go touch grass. We’ll simply move on without you.