Rashida Tlaib is getting blowback for urging Michigan Democratic primary voters to cast their ballots as “uncommitted” rather than for Joe Biden. But if voters take issue with Biden’s support for Israel’s assault on Gaza, that’s no one’s fault but his own.
  • LopensLeftArm@sh.itjust.works
    1·
    7 months ago

    Vote however you want in the primary, get the tantrums and obstinence out of your system. If you don’t vote Biden in the general, you’re absolutely complicit.

    • Cogency@lemmy.world
      1·
      7 months ago

      Agreed, people’s lives are on the line. Republicans have made it very clear they intend to kill more women, lgbtqia people, black people, and other minorities if they regain power.

    • trevor@lemmy.blahaj.zoneEnglish
      01·
      7 months ago

      If you’re calling the righteous indignation that is the response to Biden enabling a genocide a “tantrum”, you’re doing genocide apologia. If you ever wondered what you’d be doing during the Holocaust, you’re doing it right now.

      • LopensLeftArm@sh.itjust.works
        2·
        7 months ago

        I’m calling refusing to vote for the only candidate in the race standing between us a fascist dictatorship because his politics don’t perfectly line up with your sensibilities a tantrum, and one which plays games with the future of American democracy.

        If you have problems with Biden, by all means vote someone else in the primary. If you don’t show up to vote for him in November, you’re holding the door open for fascism, just as surely as the most dyed in the wool MAGA idiot.

        • trevor@lemmy.blahaj.zoneEnglish
          02·
          7 months ago

          Again, if you have more contempt for the people protesting the genocide than the ones perpetrating it, you’re doing genocide apologia. If you’re spending more time bitching about righteous protests, maybe you should ask yourself why.

          Biden could make it very easy to vote for him. The anger and protests didn’t come from nowhere. If he fails at his job so poorly that other left-leaning people don’t want to vote for him, that’s on him, not the voters.

          • LopensLeftArm@sh.itjust.works
            1·
            7 months ago

            I have contempt for anyone refusing to stand up to fascism because the person who can stop it doesn’t perfectly fit their political views. Biden already has made it very easy to vote for him - he’s not Donald Trump. If that’s not enough for you, you’re part of the problem.

            • trevor@lemmy.blahaj.zoneEnglish
              02·
              7 months ago

              I have contempt for anyone refusing to stand up to fascism

              And yet… you’re out here playing defense for a perpetrator of genocide who is currently licking the boot of the leader of a fascist ethnostate. The problem is weak-willed liberals that make it easy for fascists.

              • LopensLeftArm@sh.itjust.works
                2·
                7 months ago

                No, there is one fascist threatening to take power in the United States, and you’re offering support for him by attacking the one person who can stand in his way. You think Trump will be any better for the people of Palestine? Neither of the two candidates for president are going to waver in supporting Israel, using that a an excuse to not vote for Biden in the general is disingenuous and makes you as complicit as any other MAGA supporter.

                • trevor@lemmy.blahaj.zoneEnglish
                  02·
                  7 months ago

                  If “attacking” means supporting anti-genocide protests, then sure, buddy. Imagine being okay with genocide.

                  Obviously Trump will be as bad or worse for the Palestinians. The problem is that Biden is the one doing it now, when there is this much at stake. Ignoring the whole “Biden is doing a genocide” thing, which you shouldn’t, he’s making it difficult for people to want to turn up to vote for him. That is entirely his fault. As it turns out, people don’t like genocide. Too fucking bad.

                  Also, I like how fascism, as long as it’s outside of the US, is totally fine with you.

    • Bored Stonerian@sopuli.xyz
      01·
      7 months ago

      You know what would be playing it REALLY safe? Spending this early time trying to convince your MAGA friends and family not to vote Trump in the primary, instead of making hysterical statements about Dems who don’t vote in the general.

      If avoiding Trump is what you’re really concerned about, then wouldn’t it be ideal not to have him in the running at all?

  • Candelestine@lemmy.worldEnglish
    1·
    7 months ago

    No, actually I’m going to blame Israel, and specifically Netanyahu and his settler and genocidal fans.

    Biden is between a rock and a hard place, no answer he chooses is actually ideal. That just happens sometimes in real life, which is not always easy. Sometimes every answer has some bad consequences.

  • halferect@lemmy.world
    11·
    7 months ago

    Single issue voters are the worst type of voters and show a massive misunderstanding of politics and in this case a massive misunderstanding of how global politics work. These same people would be pissed if we abandoned Israel and every Muslim nation genocide Israel. They would be protesting biden for not helping Israel. They also keep saying biden gave weapons without congress which isn’t true, he authorized sales of weapons to Israel,key word SALES. Israel bought weapons from us, he also did the same with Ukraine by asking a different country to buy weapons from the US as long as their old weapons went to Ukraine without congress. Is what’s happening awful but it’s hardly bidens fault it doesn’t stop.

  • halferect@lemmy.world
    11·
    7 months ago

    Nope, If we end up in a Christian fascist theocracy I will blame the people who didn’t vote biden