i feel like blocking of instances leads to worse echo chambers than subreddits themselves. We gonna have bubbles of federation networks that don’t federate with each other. E.g. lefties, righties, “dark web” illegal shit, kinky shit, and instances that federate with all of them will be blocked by other instances because “use my blacklist or get defederated”. This is gonna lead to hell for users having to create fifty accounts for each bubble. Aint nobody got time for that.
i wish it remained a user’s option to block/unblock content they don’t/do want to see. Each instance could provide their “recommended” default list of enabled instances, and user can go and enable others, like how NSFW toggle works. Maybe group instances into categories with tags or something, like “porn”, “memes”, “tankies”, “nazis”, “warez”, etc
We’re gonna need a Lemmy client that can log into multiple accounts at the same time and display a combined feed of allof those accounts…
Liftoff has been doing that for A while
Now we need one that does that and is available on FDroid.
Sounds pretty reasonable to me if the loser dweebs at lemmy.world want to ban the piracy comms. lol, even
allows piracy subs.Since the hexbear federation I’ve seen that little stormfront logo a lot, illuminate me, what’s that?
Stromfront is a literal white supremacist neo-Nazi forum. As in the logo on their website has “White Pride World Wide” written around a Celtic cross. If you’ve ever seen The Boys, that site is the reason the character Stormfront is named that, and she’s positively nice compared to some of what goes on in that forum.
The whole point is to liken Reddit to Stormfront, and it’s connected to hexbear because ChapoTrapHouse is on hexbear and ChapoTrapHouse is more or less the only lefty subreddit to ever be punished under rules against brigading, calls for violence, etc. They were quarantined and later banned. So since Reddit banned an explicitly lefty sub that one time, that makes Reddit akin to a white supremacist hate forum.
It’s a lot more nuanced than that. The Chapo mods wanted to follow site-wide rules but reddit refused to explain what was in violation of them.
Reddit actually has a weird history of flipflopping with the banhammer.
Back in the day, the XKCD subreddit was run by a guy who linked a Holocaust denial subreddit and the red pill in the sidebar. Reddit didn’t do anything about this. In fact The Red Pill still exists.
But then when the subreddit owner closed KotakuInAction, suddenly reddit doesn’t mind interfering with the free market of ideas.
Facilitating Piracy no matter how you put it is wrong and illegal, it is wrong and illegal to support people who do it.
Remember Netizen, when you’re pirating Disney, you’re downloading communism!
“You wouldn’t download a communism”
A would download & 3D print both communism & Disney, then watch them fight
Facilitating Piracy no matter how you put it is wrong and illegal, it is wrong and illegal to support people who do it.
I love how some people assume that everyone agrees on the ethics of piracy
Where is this quote from
Old poster but I’m not sure the exact year
Holy fucking shit they’re blocking piracy? What a bunch of losers. Get off the anti-corporate platform built on copyleft principles if you have a problem with piracy.
Eh? It’s understandable. They shouldn’t be forced to deal with any legal issues that come with it.
You can just use another instance that fits your needs, isn’t that the whole point of this decentralized model?
There are no legal issues. You can fucking talk about piracy completely legally. This is a moral position being taken under the excuse of legality by liberals who run their server with a strict political leaning, as demonstrated by their mass banning of socialists and defederation from every left wing space.
Yes, because it’s illegal. If you’re going to be the biggest host you’re a bigger target which means you need to be more careful. What’s good about the fediverse is that you have distributed instances so smaller ones can support things like piracy, and if a small one gets taken down there will be others in its place. The same game of whack a mole is what has allowed torrent tracker sites to exist. If there was one centralized torrent tracker site it would get shut down.
What the post says is exactly right. You’d be an idiot to have one account for your normal usage and piracy usage. In your normal usage you’ll inevitably leak personally identifiable information. Having multiple accounts and multiple instances is the exactly right thing to do to keep piracy alive.
There is nothing illegal about talking about piracy. Get a grip. This is entirely about taking a moral position, because the server is run by liberals with a clear and obvious political position, as demonstrated by their mass banning of socialists.
They’re not just talking about piracy, they’re linking to it. There’s piracy subs on Reddit too and they’re allowed because they are very careful to only talk about it and not link to it, and they’re severely gimped because of that. What’s great about lemmy is that instances that are on with the risk can do so without having to follow anyone else’s rules and users can access it by simply having another account.
Linking to pirate sites is also not illegal. https://1337x.to/ woooooooOOooOOooooo scary! I just broke the lawwwww according to you, get a grip.
I think the media companies have been abusing the DMCA to go after people who link to pirated material. also, I’m starting to suspect world is trying to get funding because they’re trying to “clean” the site up in exactly the way banks/VCs require for loans. it’s a conservative interpretation of the law, especially the recent rounds that purported to go after human trafficking but actually forced major websites to take down anything remotely objectionable.
Sucks but if Lemmy.World is gonna be the “face” of Lemmy it’s probably best to keep the shadier sides of the fediverse out. Just to keep the damn lawyer trolls off our back.
Plus it keeps the “uninitiated normies” out of the Piracy instance. At least until they know.
FWIW this is one of the most frequent communities I see while browsing. I don’t mind it but it’s definitely a bad look if they want lemmy.world to appeal to the everyman.
I’ve noticed a lot more “normie” content in the past few weeks so it definitely seems like the site is attracting more than just techy people now.
Which was always going to happen if Lemmy is to grow. This is fine, decentralisation is what this is made for, so if you want a vanilla experience with only clean sfw content, you can register to instances A B or C, if you fancy some more open internet, then instances X Y or Z might be more for you.
Don’t you all love democracy?
Let’s vote on who is the face of the fediverse.
Sweet logo, ngl
Here’s our actual logo.
My obvious bias aside it is a banger logo.
It comes in lots off different flavors.
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Yeah, I’m fine with the admins using some due diligence. There is some wild s*** out there that no one needs to see terrible and grotesque without warning. The most recent example that I came across was AI generated porn of “jailbait.”
Speaking only for myself but if content like that shows up in my feed I will not continue using Lemmy. So I am appreciative of the admins being proactive and if there’s something I want to find I’ll search for it but the example that I quoted showing up in my feed is absolutely unacceptable to me.
I’m not saying that piracy rises to the level of the quoted example but I don’t manage the server and I’m not willing to manage a server so if there are people out there willing to do it to spare me from nefarious things then power to them. They have to do what’s right and legal.
Also lemmy.world is not the most stable instance and experiences a lot of downtime. My user experience got a lot better after I moved out of lemmy.world.
It experiences a lot of downtime because the alt right kids who got defederated keep using 4chans ddos tool to bring it down…
It’s not going down from normal user load.
If only people knew how hard the staff was working to improve things and keep it up.
I’ve explicitly been using my beehaw.org account pretty much exclusively because of the constant DDOS attacks on lemmy.world.
Kinda funny how their plan to seemingly kill Lemmy is just helping it stay decentralized by pushing people to other instances.
Lemmy.world is turning vanilla. They closed the shrooms community too!
Welp, I guess that’s it for me, I’m not looking to have my hand held while I access information. I can decide for myself what is and is not acceptable on my feed. Maybe .world is just feeling the crunch and they need to thin out the numbers? It’s a shame either way.
But that’s why federation is great. If you don’t like how one instance handles stuff you can move to any other instance that suits you or even host your own.
You’re absolutely right. It is very nice having options again.
Good. Piracy is illegal and immoral.
💬
But I want to make sleazy companies suffer…
Become a film director or major video game developer and have your content ruthlessly stolen then.
when the capitalists expropriate the profits over creative works: cool, good
when some random person downloads it: how dare you
I can’t, can’t afford to go to college or watch films or read plays to become a better director, programmer, writer. Maybe I’m unemployed too :( fuck me, right?
Then write them and don’t steal. And everybody is financially suffering so don’t use that excuse.
Haha, I feel solace in knowing that we suffer together, pull yourself up by your flipflop straps, right?
Sorry can’t hear you too busy downloading communism
Copyright infringement is absolutely the moral thing to do in quite a lot of cases. For example, for the preservation of cultural works. Corporations aren’t exactly spending their money on proper archives and the people to curate them. Quite the opposite! For example, if some or all of the lawsuits against sites like archive.org are successful then the result could be a mass erasure of cultural works on the scale of the burning of the Library of Alexandria.
But archiving has nothing to do with copyright.
Yes it absolutely does.
No.
I wish the courts feel the same way
This is such an insane thing to say, I feel like you can’t possibly understand what those words mean.
Me playing a small violin very emotionally at the thought that a media mogul won’t be able to afford his 750th super yacht because of piracy 😢
oh no, billionaire profits. anyway,
It’s like stealing a car.
Not sure why nobody in the comments is distinguishing between blocking a community on an instance (removing /c/piracy) and defederating instances (saying your users can’t subscribe to otherinstance.com/c/piracy). They are very different things. We should be very skeptical of defederation.
Removing a community because it violates the rules of your instance is A-OK and every instance should do this. Anybody can run an instance, and anybody can set their own rules, that’s the whole idea of federation.
De-federating other instances because you find their content objectionable is less ok. Lemmy is like e-mail. Everybody registers at gmail or office365 or myfavoriteemail.com. Every email host runs their own servers, but they all talk to each other through an open protocol. You would be pissed to find out that gmail just suddenly decided to stop accepting mail from someothermailprovider.com because a bunch of their users are pirates or tankies. Or blocked your favourite email newsletter from reaching your inbox because it had inflammatory political content.
Allowing your users to receive e-mail, or content from subcommunities on other lemmy instances is not a legal risk like hosting the content yourself is (IANAL etc). Same way Gmail is not liable if somebody on some other e-mail server does something illegal by emailing a gmail user. That’s why you can register at torrentwebsite.com and get a user confirmation email successfully delivered to your inbox. Gmail is federated with all other e-mail services without needing to endorse them or accept legal liability for them.
Lemmy’s strength, value, and future comes from being the largest federated space for link-sharing and other forms of communication.
De-federation is bad.
defederation is good for nazi and CSAM instances. no one should touch either with a 10ft pole. there’s absolutely no reason to give them a larger platform.
