On the instance I’m using, my comments and posts have disappeared. It is ok?
I had a few helpful comments here that I saved, but it’s all gone.
Having got used to the stability in Mastodon I was surprised by such things in Lemmy as:
Unable to log into your account through the app after an update on the server.
Unable to log into your account through the app if your instance version is out of date.
Just because you’ve created a post or written a comment doesn’t mean other Lemmy users will see it.
I have to constantly check to see if my messages are visible on other instances.
You also need to have many sub-accounts on different instances in case some of the primary instances are unavailable.
I have wildly more patience for Lemmy’s glitches than I do for Reddit’s. Lemmy’s devs are working on a shoestring budget with just a few people trying to prop up a whole social network. The project is still pretty early in its life cycle.
A lot of the mentioned issues are caused by instances having different versions.
This could be fixed with API versioning. As in you support the last couple versions of the API rather than only the new one.
I believe this most recent update to v0.19 was somewhat unique in the regard of login incompatibility across versions, as major breaking changes to authentication itself were the focus of it.
Yeah but take into account nobody was expecting reddit enshitificate so fast.
Before we get the massive exodus things were smooth.
Yeah I’m sure it revealed a lot of scaling issues and other bugs.
It’s often considered bad practise to prematurely optimize software. But when working at scale little things can start to really bite.
Exactly. Those people are paid salaries. They have teams working on things. When something is allowed to go wrong, someone either didn’t do the job they’re paid for, or they’re incompetent/apathetic. They’re using proven software that’s been around a while.
When there’s a problem with a Lemmy instance, then maybe the one person responsible was at the job that actually pays their rent. They’re working with beta software that’s full of “surprises”.
Since your reply to the post for xarexyouxmadx is not visible from this instance, I will reply here.
We at SDF had some outgoing federation issues recently, and we weren’t the only ones.
Has this problem gone unresolved for a long time?
Right now, a similar issue with the instance lemmy.todayAlso, my original instance (vlemmy) literally deleted itself in July.
The first instance I was registered on doesn’t exist anymore either. It was celeb.pizza
As a developer, I am absolutely amazed that any of this (all the software you are using, all of it) even works a little. So: no.
I independently came up with “federation” (as in thought of it but not exactly this, and was building on others work) as the basis for a masters thesis in the early 2000s but left the program to get a job so never saw it through.
So, no, I am not annoyed. I am amazed, grateful, impressed, and humbled but I am not annoyed.
Great take. Everything in the software world is held together with twine. It’s a miracle that anything works. That’s the only kind of miracle or magic that I believe in. As someone on a mailing list once said about networking, “it’s two cans and some string.”
Seems super stable to me, might be the client smoothing it out.
Could also be issues with their particular instance - particularly the “instance out of date” one.
Which is?
“Unable to log into your account through the app if your instance version is out of date.”
Yea I haven’t noticed much
Boost for Lemmy & web app
The 0.19 update was special since it modified the auth stuff. But a quick log out and in was all I needed.
The comments not appearing on other instances is a fair point, but I imagine something similar happens on Mastodon as well
I’ve not seen a single one of those glitches since I’ve been an active user.
Neither have I. Been using Sync and it’s pretty flawless
Voyager here.
I’ve made the assessment that the growing pains are worth weathering, because Lemmy as a platform and wider community gives me much more joy than any big corpo platform I’ve ever tried.
Nope, even a buggy, glitchy Lemmy is a head and shoulders better experience than any shitty corpo social media.
I think many of us feel that way. Just getting away from that shit is worth a lot of smaller glitches here on Lemmy. :)
I’m on Lemmy.world & using the eternity app I haven’t had any real issues yet but it’s only been about 2 months for me since I started using this platform.
We at SDF had some outgoing federation issues recently, and we weren’t the only ones. I.e., I’d post or comment something and check from any other instance, and it was like I never posted/commented at all. Fortunately, it seems to have gotten fixed over Christmas Eve.
Also, my original instance (vlemmy) literally deleted itself in July.
Man, what sort of psycho does a release on Xmas eve. I try and avoid doing at after 3pm haha
I’m on lemm.ee with eternity app also
I’m willing to put up with Lemmy’s glitches. The vast majority of admins, mods, and developers are volunteers doing what they do (largely for free) simply because they think it’s worth doing. If it were a product I paid for I would not be near as chill about it.
Lemmy was a fairly young project when everyone started piling in from Reddit. If the glitches you’re experiencing bother you that badly, perhaps consider contributing to the project, the network or your homeserver. Open source projects work best when everyone contributes what they can, when they can and as they can.
Personally, every bug I’ve encountered has been because of my lemmy mobile client and not lemmy itself. This is remarkable to me, I work in QA and was expecting a lot more bugs when I joined
Not really.
If it was commercial software, I’d assume that some dick project manager forced a premature release. Fuck that guy.
Since it isn’t, I just assume it’s really hard to get everything right first try without a big QA team.
no.
its ver 0.19, how can you hold something so obviously in development to such standards?
a little, but I’m dealing with it. 18 or so years ago, when reddit was new, it had a lot of bugs, was unstable, and would often go down for upgrades and maintenance.
although lemmy has been around for a few years, it hasn’t really been run or even tested as a serious platform until last summer when tens of thousands of new users flocked to it suddenly from reddit and both a bunch of new instances popped up and a bunch of new and rapid software releases brought a bunch of new features to handle the sudden growth. some growing pains are to be expected and, frankly, it’s all gone far more smoothly than I expected it would.
18 Years ago I was more patient with things like that. Today my patience is only for shit that matters.
aaaaand why don’t you think that taking the time to work out the bugs on this platform matters?
you do realize that this - all of this here that we’re participating in - is part of a big experiment run purely on volunteer work by a community-driven effort, and is entirely funded thereby. there’s no corporate effort at play here and no megabucks to bankroll it. that’s kinda the point of it all. so, if you’re dissatisfied with that state of things or by what you perceive as a lack of progress, I suggest you roll up your sleeves and dig in, contribute your time and effort to the development, or find some other way to contribute to the project and/or community in furtherance of its goals.
whining here about those things will get you precisely nowhere— especially when you either imply or outright declare that any of this doesn’t matter— or the idea that you’re entitled to something for nothing.
My family matters. My work matters. My pleasure activities matter. Whether or not some rando on the Internet is able to read my comment really doesn’t matter.
nobody here doubts that you’re selfish and self-centered with no care for anyone but yourself.
Whether or not some rando on the Internet is able to read my comment really doesn’t matter.
then why are you here trying so hard?
You’re calling me selfish for caring about my family, work, and real life things instead of the Internet? That’s just sad man.
What’s sad is that you have to twist my words to excuse your behavior.
And if you really didn’t care, you wouldn’t have been spending the last couple of days trying so hard to convince me.
I’ve said very little, you seem like the one trying to convince yourself. 🤷♂️
Ya sometimes my posts magically are deleted or hidden or pictures don’t upload. But still a great experience for me due to the wholesomeness.
And it’s awesome that you can use pictures in comments.
tbf reddit also allows that with markdown
It does? I was on there since digg and never seen that.
people don’t use it for some reason ¯_(ツ)_/¯
all third party clients display markdown images fully inline, all official clients either require a click or show a small thumbnail
Was reading comments through the RaccoonForLemmy app and your comment looked like this:
ScreenshotAfter a while, the app froze and closed by itself. However, after I reopened the app everything looked normal.
That’s a known bug which has been partially solved in the latest development build, have a look here. There were issues with markdown rendering when there were both text and images.
Wut
I’m self-hosting and it has been ridiculously smooth coupled with Voyager as my mobile app. Now I understand that a single user instance is a lot easier to handle than a multi-user one so I naturally don’t have any experience or opinion on how Lemmy instances scale with users in terms of stability.
Right now, another bug has manifested itself. Your message is shown in the “Replies” tab in Jerboa’s inbox, but it is not visible in the comments of the message thread.
For a few months, I couldn’t log into this instance through apps.
Yesterday, the lemmy.today instance stopped sending posts and messages to the Lemmy network. I only found out about it when I logged in through another instance in asklemmy and saw that my post wasn’t in the community.This happened to me when my language settings weren’t set. You can’t even access them in jerboa, log in with a browser and check if English is selected besides default. And whatever else you wish to see.
You also need to make sure undetermined is checked
The app? There are many, many clients for Lemmy. Thunder is able to handle multiple versions and multiple accounts on multiple instances. This is a client API implementation limitation of whatever client you are using. Not Lemmy itself.
As for the federation issues, they are being worked out. Each major version has improved the internal server logic, improving the reliability of the inter-instance communication. But the changes have also come with kinks, that have had to be worked out with each sub-version update, before the team bites off on the next big improvement.
v19 introduced changes to how the federation queue works, and these are currently causing higher resource usage than before. Because of this, some instances seem to be falling behind on syncing federated content.
When do you think Lemmy will reach the same stability as Mastodon?
With the current tiny team, at least a year out. Probably more.
With improved functionality, adoption will likely improve, with improved adoption interest in developing it should improve… Once that feedback loop gets going things can go very fast.
The reddit migration has seeded Lemmy with a bunch of competent client apps, and developers to work on them (I’ve personally contributed to Thunder). But it didn’t do much for the development of Lemmy itself.
Mastodon has achieved critical mass among developer interest, I think, and is teetering on the edge of becoming a real mainstream option. When I first tried it many years ago, it was near unusable for the average normal person. And while it is now much better, it’s been years. Lemmy is a lot closer to the start of that same road.
