• ryathal@sh.itjust.works
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    • Younger generations are less pro Israel.
    • There’s a segment of liberals that view any victimized or oppressed group as morally superior regardless of context.
    • Michigan specifically has a very high population of Muslim/middle eastern descent.
    • It’s not that sudden, there’s been growing criticism and calling Israel an apartheid state for years. The recent escalation in hostilities just made it more newsworthy.
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      OK but republicans demanded help to Israel to help Ukraine, until they changed it up.
      So it seems that although Biden may be bad, the only alternative is worse.

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        If you’re being punched in the gut, it’s not reassuring that the other option is going to use a bat instead.

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            I’m starting to believe the worse guy isn’t much worse after all. I wanted Biden to win because of promised immigration reform. He promised to halt the expansion of the wall. Give a pathway to all the people under DACA suffering in eternal immigration limbo.

            What does he do instead? Continues the Trump administration’s policies of using COVID loopholes to deny people at the border seeking asylum. Then he expands construction of the wall he promised to halt, and meanwhile does a couple photoshoots at the border with CBP officers.

            Of course, absolutely squat was said about DACA or the millions of people who were filled with hope in 2020 after Biden won. Now we know the hope was a scam. It was all an illusion. A mirage.

            My main reason I don’t want Trump is because he is racist and xenophobic against Latin Americans. But if Biden is following in his footsteps virtually exactly…

            Why should I give a shit who becomes president? I don’t like Trump but there’s no way I’m voting for Biden. I want him to lose. I want the Democrats to realize they can’t just do this forever. I want them to change their strategy. If I vote for Biden and he wins, they learn nothing. They will continue lying and being hypocrites forever.

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            Ya, Trump bad and all, but maybe it’s Biden who should do more to get the anti-genocide vote. Isn’t getting votes part of his job?

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              No, the president gets our votes automatically because he’s got the job already and can beat the mean fascist man without tying! All we have to do is verbally abuse anyone criticizing Biden and we’ll surely have him as president again and there’ll be no problems come 2028 or anything!

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                  Yep. Everyone who says this conversation isn’t appropriate right now conveniently ignores the fact that they’ve refused to have these kinds of conversations for the past four years.

                  1. Biden needs to stop sending weapons to Israel.
                  2. Biden needs to promise to veto any attempts to block a rail strike in his next term.
                  3. Biden needs to revert his push for federal workers to return to office.
                  4. Biden needs to call off Yellen and Powell on their war against American workers.

                  He’s a shit candidate for anybody who isn’t retired or nearing retirement.

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            Progressives in a nutshell. They will be upset with the status quo no matter what.

            Even if Bernie was nominated and elected, progressives would have turned on him within a year, because he wouldn’t have been able to get policy passed without major concessions, which would then alienate the progressive base for not being perfect.

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              You are correct. People expect big sweeping changes and are upset when it doesn’t. What people need to realise is that it’s like a rudder on a giant ship. If you keep voting left then you slowly move left. Which also means any time the right wins we stay on course or move further right.

              People need to take a long term view.

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              So you support genocide, but you’re mad that progressives don’t?

              Really? You believe that’s a good talking point?

              Wow.