The money for the projects in Monday’s announcement comes from the Energy Department’s Industrial Demonstrations Program, which was funded by the 2021 bipartisan infrastructure law and the 2022 Inflation Reduction Act.
Which in effect means that we’re reaping the benefits of having Democratic majorities in both houses of Congress during the 2020-2021 session.
Did you read the article? These are technologies that work. And if they weren’t proven, then fund open research. Don’t hand companies money.
In a lab, sure. The next step is to scale them up, which is frequently where difficulties are found. Running these in a full sized factory is that step, and is exactly what this article is reporting on.
I did, in fact, read the article, where it clearly said these were "demonstrate novel technologies can operate at scale. Here, I’ll cut and paste from the article so you can read it too because it looks like you’re having difficulty finding it:
“While the projects themselves would put a relatively small dent in U.S. emissions, Ms. Granholm said the goal was to demonstrate novel technologies that can scale up rapidly and “set a new gold standard for clean manufacturing in the United States and around the world.””
What open research can you fund to prove something operates at scale? Are you advocating for creating government run steel companies from scratch just to implement a single plant to test a new concept at scale? If not, what is YOUR suggestion for how to test these at scale without giving money to a company that does it today, and without creating a brand new company run but the US government? Please enlighten me to your path.
Lol heat pumps work.
I was wondering if you read it and saw demonstration, but how I read that in its context is demonstrate as in “hey industry see it does work, see see see? Stop denying.” Whereas you seem to take it as test to see if it does work, which obviously I think is wrong. (Your prior reply was falling all over itself to cover all the bases for deniability, but it was clear.)
You’ve attacked from the start and continue here, so have a nice day.
I’m sorry you’re not familiar with the industry language being used in the articles. Your position is that once a technology has been shown to work, it can do so any capacity. While I wish this was true, but it simply isn’t. A perfect example is Solid State Batteries. They can be produced in small numbers in a lab no problem. We even have a few small scale manufacturing operations, but they are very low capacity and very expensive. How can this be? The technology exists. Why can’t it be made in the millions? Because creating them at scale isn’t there yet. Things that work in small quantities don’t always work when you’re doing a bunch of it. Processing need to be developed. Technology needs to advance in the manufacturing space. This is the same concept being applied with these green investments in the article.
Heat pumps do work! I had one at my last house for HVAC. I have one in my cloths drying. I have one on my house’s water heater. I’m a huge fan of heat pumps. However these are small scale implementations. What additional challenges do you get when instead of heating one house, you’re attempting to heat/dry a warehouse sized single room containing massively more moisture in the air than a typical residence? I don’t think you know. I don’t know either. None of us do for sure. Not even industry experts. That’s why they’re testing these in single places first so that the technique can be perfected and replicated in hundreds of other factories.
No, I was following the logic that would seem to flow from your statements that you were missing the follow on steps. I was attempting to not treat you like you couldn’t come up with it yourself.
No,I disagreed with you from the start. That isn’t attacking you. If you’re going to claim anyone that disagrees with you is attacking you, I can tell you will be running into people “attacking you” for the rest of your life. Your response was abrasive and claimed I hadn’t read the article, where clearly I did.
I suppose were at the end, so I will. Thanks, you too!