• friend_of_satan@lemmy.world
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    9 months ago

    He woke up and thought “today, I’m going to be the shitty politician that punk rockers sing about”, and then he did it.

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      It should be illegal in any country.

      Sadly, in the U.S., “freedom of speech” has become almost totally meaningless. Our supreme court decided that money is speech, which is why we now have things called political action committees (PACs) which aren’t supposed to work with campaigns *wink wink, nudge nudge* and can raise unlimited funds from anyone anywhere in the world legally. Unsurprisingly, Trump’s PAC has been paying his legal bills.

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        Freedom of speech in America means the freedom to call for, advocate for, and organize violence against anyone you like so long as they aren’t white and/or Christian.

        If you say violence is bad, or call for violence against those Advocating for and organizing violence though - THEN it’s hate speech.

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        9 months ago

        No, they are not all being killed. There are about 2 million innocent people in the entire Strip. Death figures according to the Gazan Health Ministry are around 30,000 currently.

        It’s not impossible though, it’s been attempted before in history, by ethno-nationalist asshats just like Netanyahu’s supporters.

        This can get much worse. Many zealots want it worse.

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          “They’re not all dead yet it’s not a genocide.”

          You. That’s you. Stop literally excusing an ongoing genocide. Fucking pathetic.

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          Just because we’re not yet at MegaGenocide™ package doesn’t mean much, most of Gaza is rubble now. That two million people have pretty much nowhere to return to. Israel wanted ethnic cleansing (as they have explicitly stated time and time again, Zionism is a fascist ideology) and they’re getting it

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      When I hear things like Dearborn MI is voting for Trump, there’s a sick part of me that wants to see what would happen if the Arab community was the reason Trump got into power.

      Like, I understand that you’re very angry with the current situation but are you actually going to ruin your life and that of millions of your supposed brothers in the middle east to express that anger? Do people forget what Trump did as soon as he was in office last time?

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        If both parties are going to genocide Arabs while they’re in charge, the blood is on their hands and no one else’s. Only assholes and morons will blame Arabs in the US for the massacre of Palestinians.

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    What a piece of sh1t he is. Dismissing lives with the ease of a psychopath with power.

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    … everybody in Hamas".

    The fact that the newspaper, twitter and all the people here are ignoring what they heard themselves,

    that is the clearest and escariest example of an echo chamber.

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      9 months ago

      Also cuerdo and every other apologist: "every Palestinian man, woman, and child is harboring a top level Hamas commander in their back pocket and therefore must be killed "

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      Well yes you can. Plenty of people chanting from the river to the sea are keeping their jobs.

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        Let me guess, 30,000 dead Palestinian civilians at the hands of the armed wing of one of the most advanced intelligence machines in the Eastern hemisphere is just “defending their right to exist”.

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          Take a look at the map. There’s one country in the region surrounding by countries whose Jews have been ethnically cleansed. The rest of them were forced to covert during the Arab conquests that swept the land. You’ve got Iran, Hamas and more all openly saying they want to murder the inhabitants of that lone non Arab country so ya, they’re clearly defending their right to exist.

          Also interesting that you’re accepting the numbers from the terrorists who started this round of fighting without question. Do you really think that not a single Hamas fighter has been among the dead? There was a Lord in Parliament the other day speaking on the civilian/combatant ratio being around 2.5:1, or about 9k of those dead being militants. Suppose you’re taking Hamas numbers over the UK’s on this cuz it fits your narrative?

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    I love all the comments like “Biden isn’t being tough enough on Israel! Biden isn’t stopping the genocide!”

    Besides the fact that people are asking Biden to do something that directly hurts US foreign policy interests…

    Do they REALLY think that the Republican party is on the side of stopping brown people dying? Biden in office is probably the most gentle response Palestine is going to get for 10/7. Republicans are frothing at the mouth to boost JDAM and Paveway kit sales.

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      9 months ago

      If preventing a genocide is hurting “foreign policy interests”, then those interests are shite.

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        exactly what i was thinking.

        if this is the lesser of two evils, you probably have reached evil long ago.

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          Yep they keep saying lesser of two evils while the options get more and more evil despite claiming “incremental progress”. Moderates are completely disconnected from reality or they’re just too afraid to actually push for something better.

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            The problem is with Trump, particularly, there’s good reason to be afraid.

            “We want to punish the democrats for supporting Israel, so we are going to let Trump win”

            GOP proceeds to double down on oppressive wars, no improvement for Gaza. Further, you get a government full of leaders that, in the wake of losing in 2020, openly pondered ways of just rigging the election so they don’t have to get votes to win anymore. You had laws proposed in GOP states to declare the legislature could pick whatever electors they wanted ignoring their voters. You had people running for non-partisan election administration positions promising they’ll make sure Republicans win, no matter what. They actively tried to send fake electors that particular cycle, even without any legal backing.

            So, in at least one scenario, congratulations, you successfully admonished Biden for his misbehavior, and now, we have at least as bad misbehavior, and maybe some unwinding of democracy to make sure we never get to influence foreign policy ever again.

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          Quick question, can you explain to me how it wasn’t evil to burn babies in their cribs, rape daughters in front of mothers, and behead fathers in front of sons? Cause I really can’t see it any other way after 10/7.

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            the world isnt black and white and one evil can’t justify another, even greater evil. its a convenient excuse, but its good to notice oppression has the habit of creating more of the twisted people you speak of.

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      9 months ago

      Are you seriously incapable of viewing Biden’s actions outside of a lens related to the upcoming election?

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        Literally everything every politician does is towards their next re-election. Literally everything. It’s ignorant to think otherwise.

        Part of representing their constituents is to satisfy the most voters to vote for them in the future. It’s not a hard concept.

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          This is a total non-sequitur, you don’t seem to understand the conversation you’re involved in and nothing about your other responses suggests there might be an intelligent conversation to be had were it corrected.

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      Besides the fact that people are asking Biden to do something that directly hurts US foreign policy interests…

      Why would enabling the genocide of Palestinians benefit US foreign policy?

      Also, isn’t our current beef with Yemen and the 96% drop off in Suez traffic a direct result of Israel’s War in Gaza? Isn’t keeping the Suez open to traffic pursuant to US foreign policy?

      Do they REALLY think that the Republican party is on the side of stopping brown people dying?

      I think that America is a Fascist Nation enabling the will of some of the most deranged and brutal regimes in human history. Between the Israelis, the Saudis, the Indian Hinduvistas, and the Duterte/Marcos cartel in the Philippians, we’ve got - bare minimum - four Fascist regional governments that we are falling over ourselves to help perpetuate atrocities of nightmarish proportions.

      Republicans and Democrats seem to be in alignment in supporting all of these horrifying campaigns of mass slaughter. If this is the future of American politics, our government deserves to fail and I pray that our failed state is wiped from the face of the Earth.

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        The US does not negotiate with terrorists. The US is not going to abandon it’s interests just because some anti-semitic people don’t like the US supporting Israel. It is directly contrary to the US foreign policy interests because it signals that the US is willing to abandon allies in the face of attack. Imagine if the US had withdrawn support from Israel after 9/11, an attack which was specifically in retaliation for US support of Israel.

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      This is the worst case scenario for Gazans and people who know them. They don’t care about Biden’s infrastructure record or Trump’s position on NATO.

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          To you. For them they’ve already lost entire branches of their extended families. A figurative nuke already went off for them.

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            Oh dear, have they done anything to stop 20 years of build-up of tunnels and weapons underneath them?

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                Why would I try to stop something that I fully support? Last time I checked, the US doesn’t have a policy of slaughtering civilians.

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      How does that even make sense? GOP being worse doesn’t mean that Biden is doing a great job. He’s bloody well FUNDING and ARMING the genocidal IDF. That there is a worse option doesn’t make Biden’s actions in any way “good”.

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        I immediately stop listening to anyone that is calling the current situation genocide. No better way to tell me that your opinion is worthless than to use words incorrectly.

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          The UN Convention on Genocide defines it like this:

          https://www.un.org/en/genocideprevention/genocide.shtml

          "a) Killing members of the group;

          b) Causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group;

          c) Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part;

          d) Imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group;

          e) Forcibly transferring children of the group to another group."

          So, point for point, the only one Israel hasn’t done in Gaza is “e”. But to be clear, you don’t have to hit all 5 to be a genocide, just one is enough. Russia is hitting all 5 in Ukraine.